S a c r e d Yup, agreed. (They also fixed constraint offsets with their own offset adjustments)

kanadianborn: you might want to file that as a separate canny, this one is already completed and they’ll probably close it

Cyberboy55126: You might have missed the memo that VRChat is planning on patching all bugs that are used for avatar scaling going forward, now that they have a solution that they're planning to support. (They likely held off on patching the bugs until they had a solution they were willing to support.)

kitlith: What bugs? I don't know of any size changing bugs. Everything is just fine for me :D

Cyberboy55126: The GoGoLoco route adds extra complication and a performance toll I don't care for. Each individual animator layer, running or not, has a performance toll. VRC adding adding a scale param fixes any issue I have with their scale system. (or allows me to fix my own issues like constraint offsets) The most recent beta has scale parameters and it's wonderful.

Cyberboy55126: The GoGoLoco scaler works of a bug. which is why it's apparently in the Go "Broke" variant, because the expectation was that it was going to be broken at some point, and that has always been the communication from VRChat -- this is going to break eventually, and they consider the fact that it isn't currently broken in the open beta a bug.

michika: I am currently doing this with my own implementation, so continuing to have that available in the future would be nice.

There are other things, that would benefit from it too, like disabling world space props, although I'm hoping we get those natively at some point.

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Read-only would be a good start

Yeah, read only makes sense to start. Read/write would be cool, especially with OSC integration, but that's bonus. Read-only at least keeps parity with what already exists.

SenkyDragon DJDavid98: Got it. That's a way easier sell. Thanks!

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Read only would be nice to be able to manually fix things so that niche scaling issues could be addressed by the avatar creator.

Read-write would be great to be able to give avatar creators more options with AV3.

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Ideally read/write, as that would allow avatar creators to do scaling based animations, i.e. replicating Pokemon Gigantamaxing, something I had seen pulled off prior to this beta.

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Id say read only is a good start, but most creators would really prefer to be able to write to it to. I've done avatars that rely on scaling the avatr when the user wants, for example an alice in the wonderland avatar that when you eat or drink something you shrink or get bigger, i did it using something similar to gogo loco's scaling, but now thats broken, and the parameter not being a write parameter i cant even fix that feature at all. Please make it write too

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: I personally would love to have it be read and write, could make for some interesting interactions.

Personally would use it as a donation incentive or trying to beat a game world while slowly losing height as a challenge.

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Read/write would definitely be the hoped goal for the future, or at least being able to use the scaling value to automatically drive a custom animation. Being able to have the scale drive a mesh swap and some particles would be amazing for things like a werewolf transforming avatar or like Bruce Banner to Hulk, etc.

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: for my purposes read only is fine. Read write would be interesting too, but more of a niche gimmick imo

ITBERYAN: I'd personally like to solve a game world while slowly GAINING height ^^

Cyberboy55126: Worlds can now be built with that explicitly in mind, through world authorative scaling. ^-^

kitlith: I don't want any authorization to do stuff! It's my avatar! I can do whatever the heck I want to do with it, WHERE EVER I want! World creators shouldn't get to decide what I do with my avatar! I don't care how it breaks the world, it's MY avatar! Not theirs!

Cyberboy55126: Then this is the incorrect place to make that complaint, because this canny post is not about whether worlds get control and when, it's about increasing visibility of the current scale of the avatar, so that avatar authors can make decisions based on the current scale.

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Going to add my vote for R/W. With the old system I had a menu with several preset sizes that I could select without needing to use a radial. Which the "match eye height" can partially alleviate that, one of those sizes was my RL eye height which happens to be really useful in human-scale worlds.

Having it writable would allow me to reimplement this. (Alternatively, for this specific use: Being able to define multiple scale snap points would also work)

Yes, I'm late to the party.

This is apparently still broken for late joiners: https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/scalefactor-is-not-synchronized-to-late-joiners-or-existing-players-in-newly-joi

Here's an example of how a face camera can break down as a result of culling parameters not being adjusted for the avatar scale.

bd_: Is this the native face camera? If so, please submit a seperate Canny!

Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: nope, this is a custom one I use because I don’t like the layers and culling distance of the native one