Is this some kind of joke?

Even loading 500MB avatar is a struggle, why need to expand to 800MB?

Just a few people with ~300MB+ uncompressed are enough to lag people around.

It's not about bad intents, it's about incompetence: there's simply no avatars ~300MB+ that cannot be optimized and really need those limits.

Just tell anybody why you need these limits?

EN:

Basically, I disagree. I consider even the 200MB/500MB limit too loose.

Instead, I offer the following proposal.

In addition to that,

These allow VRChat to satisfy the demands of users who want to play lightly and those who want to express themselves in a variety of ways, and VRChat can earn revenue according to the resources needed.

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JA:

基本的には反対です。私は200MB/500MBの制限値でさえ緩すぎると考えます。

その代わり、以下の提案をします。

それに加えて、

これらにより、軽快なプレイを望むユーザーと多彩な表現をしたいユーザーの要望を満たし、必要とされるリソースに応じてVRChat社は収益を得ることができます。

I disagree with this proposal.

The limitation is not only for each user. It also defines the average level at which the creators aim. In this sense, requiring VRChat+ is not an effective safeguard because it is relatively common for active Japanese users. The existing "Avatar Optimization" settings also can not be the reason to allow the expansion.

Also, in my opinion, such performances are superb because they "are avatars" that are restricted compared to the world. Extending the limit of avatars for this purpose is a misplacement of priorities.

However, if the operations to activate are too annoying for daily use, I feel that could be a point of compromise.

For example, you must switch on the option every time and within one minute to view (or load) such avatars. In other words, the option goes off automatically in one minute and/or after loading such an avatar.

(In Japanese)

提案には反対です。

制限は個々のユーザーのためのものだけでなく、クリエイターが目指す平均のレベルも定義します。この意味で、VRChat+ を要求することは有効な保護策にはなりません。VRChat+ はアクティブな日本のユーザーにとって比較的一般的ですから。「アバターの最適化」設定が存在することもまた拡張を許す理由にはなりません。

また私見ですが、そのようなパフォーマンスが素晴らしいのは、ワールドに対して制限された「アバターである」からだと思います。この目的のためにアバターの制限を広げるというのは本末転倒であるように思います。

ところで。有効にする操作が日常的に使用するには面倒すぎるものであれば、それは妥協点になりうるかもしれません。

たとえば、そのようなアバターを表示（またはロード）するには、毎回かつ1分以内にオプションをオンにする必要がある、言い換えると、1分後またはそのようなアバターをロードした後にオプションは自動的にオフになる、というような形です。

【JP】

VRChatの仕様を理解していない状態での意見や憶測が目立つので、改めて緩和への賛成意見を述べます。

現在私が運営しているアニメーターコミュニティでは、非圧縮500MBでもアニメーション制作で困る人はいません。少し手間が増える程度です。複数のアニメーションを1つのアバターに入れられないことくらいが主な制限です。

緩和に賛成する理由は、制限が緩和されてもユーザー側にデメリットがないと思うからです。VRChatには既にアバターダウンロード制限を設定する機能があり、私の周りではほとんどの人が場所に合わせて制限を変えています。

しかし、アニメーション制作や披露をする一部のユーザーにはメリットがあります。表現の幅が広がるからです。容量制限のせいで作品が作れないと言っているわけではありません。容量の大きいアニメーションを作る際はワールド化や軽量化など、最適化をしている人はたくさんいます。リリィさんの提案のようにVRChat＋契約者にメリットがある仕組みになれば、VRChat側にもメリットがあります。

また、過去の容量制限で作られた愛着のあるアバターが消えてしまうのは悲しいです。プロジェクトが消えてアップデートできないアバターもあります。

制限緩和が難しくても、今後さらに制限が強化される流れになる前に声をあげないと手遅れになるので、私は今の段階で緩和に賛成します。

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【EN】

I'm seeing a lot of opinions and speculations from people who don't seem to understand VRChat's specifications, so I'd like to reiterate my support for the proposed changes.

Currently, in the animator community I manage, even with uncompressed 500MB files, no one has trouble creating animations. It just adds a bit of extra work. The main limitation is not being able to put multiple animations into a single avatar.

I'm in favor of the changes because I don't see any downsides for users if the restrictions are relaxed. VRChat already has a feature to set avatar download limits, and most people I know adjust those limits based on the location they're in.

However, there are benefits for some users, like those who create and showcase animations. It expands their creative possibilities. It's not that they can't create works due to capacity restrictions. Many people optimize their work by creating worlds or finding ways to reduce file sizes when making large animations. If VRChat implements a system like Lily suggested, where VRChat+ subscribers get benefits, it would also be advantageous for VRChat itself.

Also, it would be sad to lose beloved avatars that were created within the previous capacity limits. Some projects have been discontinued, making it impossible to update those avatars.

Even if easing the restrictions is difficult, it's better to voice support for relaxation now, before it's too late. If the trend is to further tighten the restrictions in the future, speaking up later might not be effective.

(-) Against with conditions.

I understand your point. However if you are unable to give concrete examples on the necessity to implement live performance on a 500MB uncompressed Avatar (than worlds), it would not be reasonable.

Developing such function and determining the limits costs a lot more than just moving to another world.

Also, this brings some kind of privilege such that people who pay more can damage my RAM in a public instance, regardless of if they are avatar performers or not.

ポイントはわかりますが、500MB超えの演出込アバターと、その内容がワールドだと良くないの具体例がないと、納得できません。

開発や制限の範囲議論にはコストが必要です、それに対して「ワールド移動」のコストが比較的に低すぎませんか？

それに、アバターパフォマーであるかどうかかかわらず、「金払った人がもっと他人のRAMを食える」という特権販売になってしまいそうです。

EN:

I am against relaxing the capacity limit.

There are opinions that it should be relaxed only for VRC+ subscribers, that it cannot be used with Particle Live, that it narrows the range of expression, but unless there are some reasonable restrictions, VRChat will not appeal to the general public. Even if the restrictions are relaxed for a certain user with a production gimmick, an unrelated user can upload an unoptimized avatar and destroy the user's PC.

If you really want to expand the expression, wouldn't it be possible to implement it on the world side or optimize the avatar side to keep it within the limit?

Also, if you simply want to optimize the avatar itself, there are several capacity reduction tools such as VRC fury and Avatar Optimizer. Even the 500MB limit seems too much.

JP:

容量制限の緩和には反対です。

パーティクルライブで使えない、表現の幅が狭まる、VRC+加入者だけでも緩和するべきという意見が散見されますが、どこかで常識的な範囲で制限を設けなければVRChatは一般的な層に訴求できないでしょう。演出ギミックを備えるあるユーザーの為に制限を緩和しても、無関係ユーザーが最適化されていないアバターをアップロードすることで十分にユーザーのPCを破壊するのに最適です。

どうしても表現を広げたいのであれば、ワールド側に実装したり、アバター側の最適化などで制限内に収める範囲で可能ではないでしょうか？

また、単純にアバターそのものの最適化であれば、VRC furyやAvatar Optimizerなど複数の容量削減ツールが揃ってきています。500MBという制限でさえ、多すぎるように思えます。

私たちが知っているのは、このゲームの管理が不十分なためにこれが起こっているということだけです

低予算でスタッフを解雇し、アクティブなサーバーとストレージ容量を維持するための資金がなく、アバターがコンピューターに直接ダウンロードされるのは困難ですが、ここで提案されているソリューションは優れています。これはコンピューターの低所得層のパフォーマンスを向上させることではありません。 1 MB のアバターは、500 MB のアバターと同じパフォーマンスの低下を引き起こす可能性があります

そして、はい、私たちのモデルが最適化されており、それに力を入れていることを指摘するのは明白です。

EN

All we know is that this is happening because of the poor administration of this game

Low budget, firing staff and not having money to maintain active servers and storage capacity even though the avatars are downloaded directly to our computers, the solution proposed here is good, this is not about improving performance for people with low resources on their computer, a 1 MB avatar can cause the same loss of performance as one of 500 MB

And yes, it is more than obvious to point out that our models are optimized and we put effort into them

EN.

I was just thinking, if the file size can be reduced to 500MB by optimizing it, is there really no need to release the limit? I don't think it's right to say that you don't have time to learn the techniques and want the limit removed. If you're doing something special like creating an avatar for a performance, you should study it accordingly.

I'm still against this canny.

JP.

ふと思ったんですが、軽量化や最適化すれば500MBにおさまるのであれば、制限解放する必要ないのでは？その手法を学ぶ時間がないから制限無くしてくれというのは違うと思います。パフォーマンスのためのアバターを作るという特殊なことをするのであれば、それに伴って勉強すべきかと。

やはりこのcannyには反対です。

Wouldn't it be smarter to separately implement "feature for props that can be brought into the world" to VRChat rather than doing something with avatars?

It's unreasonable that leave behind serious hardware barriers to playing VRChat. Only a few avatars require huge data size.

アバターで何かするよりも「ワールドに持ち込めるプロップの機能」を別途VRCに実装した方が賢明ではないでしょうか？

VRChat のプレイに重大なハードウェア障壁を残すのは不合理です。巨大なデータサイズを必要とするアバターは極々一部だけです。

.EN

Thank you very much for all your feedback.

Below, I would like to provide responses and additional explanations based on the feedback we received.

◆ Why avatars are necessary

→ Let me explain this based on particle live events. Currently, in most cases, dozens of people gather in a single world to perform. We have considered the idea of moving between worlds, but frequent transitions between worlds can slow down the pace, making smooth event management difficult. By using avatars, we can maintain a sense of unity and ensure that participants can enjoy the experience without interruptions. For this reason, we believe it is necessary to incorporate avatars.

◆ Why not just optimize?

→ Your point is valid; optimization is indeed very important, and my own avatar almost never exceeds the current guidelines. However, not all players have the resources or time to invest in learning, nor are they all Unity professionals. Creating effects or objects from scratch is something only a limited number of people can do. Therefore, while we will continue to strive for optimization, we also believe that providing options such as VRChat Plus or additional subscriptions that allow users to pay a monthly fee to ease restrictions like uncompressed assets could benefit both the players and the management.

◆ Other considerations

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We greatly appreciate your valuable feedback and suggestions on how to improve. We aim to find a better compromise by considering both opposing and supporting opinions, so we would be grateful for your continued input and advice.

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