Replace ONSP with Steam Audio
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Aev
Steam Audio, as opposed to ONSP allows for far more detail in the way that audio is handled as it bounces on different types of surfaces, passes through air, occludes behind objects, etc. It would create a much more realistic audio experience.
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We improved the "Chat" in "VRChat" by finally implementing Steam Audio! Thank you all for your support.
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yet implemented some of the features you mentioned, such as baked world audio, occlusion, reverb, and bouncing on different types of surfaces. Please let us know if you'd like to see those features!Haxy
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Zee_Z
Fax Yes please! more audio features for more immersion would be fantastic!
ZenithVal
Fax I personally can't really tell the difference even in crowds so the fancy physical audio features of Steam Audio were (and still are) what I'm looking forward to.
Sydney_2l47
Fax If it needs to be said, yes. I thought that was the whole point.
moonorama
Fax Many world creators, especially music venue creators (which I am) would loooooove to get access to those features of Steam Audio you mentioned, especially occlusion and reverb in 3d space. We can get rid of 3rd party solutions and just use what's built into VRChat, greatly increasing audio realism and reducing technical hurdles.
DarkSwordsman
I gotta be honest that I assumed all of that would be baked into the steam audio implementation. I don't really understand why you would want to use steam audio without those features.
I would argue that this cannot be completed until those features are implemented, since that was explicitly included in the original request.
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I created a new feedback post on your behalf! I hope I managed to capture what you mean.
4Bakers
does this need to be marked as "Completed"? or is the promise of further integration yet to come sufficient to keep this "In Progress"?
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jokes aside yall rock for getting this in
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Congrats! You got it!
owlboy
Good call Aev!
Mochа
Took a Eternity but glad it's in progress 😂
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We're still working on this! Steam Audio is currently in Open Beta, though it might take a while for us to properly release it.
Check our latest roadmap update for more info:
Patroll
It's happening y'all
ni1chigo2115
time is here
Mαlοri
ni1chigo2115 yeah so cool its open source now :D
Maybe vrchat will be able to fix themself the bug they were waiting valve to fix xD
DarkSwordsman
Every instance I've seen of Steam Audio has been poorly implemented with plenty of bugs. Tarkov (also Unity 2019) even just ditched Steam Audio in favor of Oculus Audio because of all the issues they've had with Steam Audio. And I can say based on my experience with CS:GO (Nuke anyone?), Tarkov, and VRChat, the audio in VRChat seems to be much more directional and higher quality.
Unless there's something I don't know about Steam Audio being good or well implemented, I think instead of implementing Steam Audio, the ONSP/Oculus Audio implementation should be improved.
Mαlοri
DarkSwordsman: ONSP only have directionnal audio, but that it from what i understand, steam audio is way more powerfull with realtime audio reflections and occlusions for instance (actually steamaudio is one of the most advanced realtime audio system ever. It do hav some quirks and bug that valve need to iron out tho)
Also iirc steam audio desktop support wasnt introduced untill this (2023) year, so im really not sure if cs:go is or was using it (also as its like competitive and all, it try to stay basic, same way they removed almost all physical bodies interaction compared to older cs. As usage is also pretty important, some games dont need it, others would hav benefits etc)
But yes implementation is very important (and not having bugs too, according to devs here and there its mainly bug valve need to fix before vrc is ready to roll to it), and obv no need to change if done badly, but if done corectly it should be way more immersive as giving way more tools to map creators
good exemple of implementation is obviously half life alyx
edit:mb they were update for better desktop support, but not
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supportDarkSwordsman
Mαlοri: I mean if it can be done correclty, I am all for it. I've been waiting for proper occlusion and reflection of audio, especially for the worlds I'm in, since it would bring up the immersion that much more.
I just haven't seen any good examples, and only a few examples where it was bad. I will check out Alyx again though. Thanks.
Mαlοri
DarkSwordsman: yup yup
also Steam audio got if fair share of update since then, and vrchat is working closely with valve about it
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