[Feedback] 'Hide Avatar Globally' should not be overridden by 'showAvatar' moderations
Salbug
Going to be reposting my feedback onto the canny now that it appears to be set in stone according to the community team, but I wanted to also repost it onto here so I could gather more feedback and support from others who appear to feel the same way and hopefully we can sway things into a better way.
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So I'm actually rather mixed about it being able to be overridden by anything at all. The reason being, at least in my case (not sure about others) is I tend to show the avatars of others I have had a conversation with at least once, and so they can be fully shown as I'm fairly strict with my safety settings particularly with my file size limits and minimum perf limit. Now here's the thing, as you can see in the images below --
...Yeah, I have an extraordinary amount of
showAvatars
and part of it is because of meeting people and showing them and also because I tend to show friend's avatars regardless and I'd rather not have to clear all of my 'showAvatars'. Now I totally understand this being a me problem pretty much, but there are times when friends of mine change into public avatars that I personally do not like (not necessarily offensive, but more so obscenely unoptimized.). So I'd rather it be the case where once you hide an avatar by ID, it would be hidden no matter what until the person switched out of the avatar and would _not_ be overridden. I could _maybe_ see some concerns over how would one be able to unhide an avatar ID if it's hidden and can't be shown no matter what until it's unhidden.Aside from being able to unhide it in the QM I'd also assume it'd be considered a moderation action of some sorts as well alongside the others in the 'Blocks & Mutes' section of the website so it'd have a list of blocked avatars ID you could delete individually or as a whole if necessary. Another small point someone brought up to me is the common use-case of hiding and showing someone's avatar to fix an issue of someone being invisible or their voice being offset from where their head actually is so that was another factor of showing a lot of people's avatars as well.
Another point regarding my rather strict performance settings limits. Even though I have everything set to shown for friends for the custom safety settings, because of my avatar cap being set to 50 MB and minimum perf set to Medium, some friends depending on their personal avatars would be hidden regardless unless I were to explicitly show their avatar so this is another thing to consider for this.
And now that I think about it, most avatars (and also if your trust rank is below a certain level) would be hidden by a fallback per my perf settings, but what if I didn't know at first, showed someone's avatar and it was just a really bad avatar? Sure I could just hide the user in general, but what if I just want to block the avatar ID in general so I never have to see it again? If 'Hide Avatar by ID' were to be overridden by 'showAvatar' it feels like it would just be kind of pointless.
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Happyrobot33
Agreed on this, makes the feature completely useless as going into publics without shield is risky.
MisutaaAsriel
Jaydev
Agreed. Although I can see the case for both ways, hiding a specific avatar ID seems like a much more intentional choice than showing or not showing a single person, and I would expect it to override Show Avatar by default.
Apologies if I missed something, but will there at least be something on the UI to indicate a player is using an ID hidden avatar before you show them? Or perhaps a "un-show people in the current world with ID-hidden avatars" button?
Kazy
Definitely agree. If they feel like it might be confusing for people, they can add an "Avatar hidden by ID" icon to let people know why the avatar isn't shown.
I use Show Avatar a lot simply because I block all Very Poor avatars by default. I'd likely only use the Hide Avatar by ID on nuisance/meme avatars with annoying sounds and effects. I wouldn't want them to show up even if my best friend was wearing it.
knah
For reference, the prototype mod for this (Advanced Safety) had
options
to exclude friends and abide by "show avatar" (or not) for avatar hiding (it had by-ID and by-author), similar to what distance avatar hider has currently. Given that people use "show avatar" in different ways, as Salbug has described (which is very different from what I do), it would make sense to provide these options here too.As a side note, most of my
showAvatar
moderations come from getting AS to not chop up terribly optimized avatars into oblivion. In the new EAC'd client, my use of showAvatar
would be limited to rare visitors/new users - I personally would prefer it to override by-ID hides because of that.Salbug
Even when I've been wishing for it for so long, the purpose of it feels like it's largely going to be defeated by forced overrides by
showAvatar
moderation and I think a majority of people would agree actually.MisutaaAsriel
It should honestly be like the Hide Avatars by Distance feature, where you can opt in/out of overriding by Show Avatar.