Glitch Izanami: Feel free to check out my alternative idea that avoids toxicity: https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/add-a-custom-color-border-to-nametags

Ohni: my friends and I have all been around for varying times, and the majority of the people I have talked to said they prefer having the border on the nametags. I don't think its fair to form an opinion on behalf of old players.

「 vivi 」: Old players know what happened when the trust system was first implemented. It went from everyone being equal, to people forming prejudices based of the color of the nameplate.

"Oh youre a trusted user, why dont you go erp in a provate world"

Or

"I dont add anyonr below known user, sorry"

These are things ive heard CONSTANTLY since the implementation. It caused unnecessary prejudices in a social game...

So no. I dont want the pretty color on my nametag, cause im tired of people in public worlds treating me like an asshole for having a purple nametag

TsoLit: Feel free to check out my alternative idea that avoids toxicity: https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/add-a-custom-color-border-to-nametags

I have never experienced any hate based on trust rank, so I wasn't aware it was that big of an issue. Going back to how it was before was just the first thing my mind came to. I just want the pretty back, so this might be a better way to do it. Some of the VRC team said they like this idea better as well, so maybe it has some hope :P

TsoLit: It might just be me, but I've never heard someone say that before.

「 vivi 」: that's actually not bad. I stoll think rank being immediately identifiable is bad but this is at least a compromise.

LoliKami: happens to me often. I always set myself to User when I got public worlds, otherwise I've ran into this problem often. Typically the type of person saying that stuff isn't the one you wanna talk to anyways, but it helps me from having to deal with it at all.

TsoLit: Pretty sure that says more about your behavior than anything else lmao.

Ive been playing since 2017, Trusted/Legendary since the system came out and I didnt get that accusation once.

Kinami: There's no need to be rude.

And I'd say Avatars 3 was a better change than this.

「 vivi 」: This has been a great change to the game, I don't think rank's should effect visible name tags, it Does allow discrimination against lower ranked players because we all know how toxic some of VRChats community base can be, Don't let this cancerous type of player return.

WarmHeartbeat: We still have the rank on the nametag, you just have to press a button to see it. Like I said in other comments, it's not completely about the rank aspect, they just don't look as good now, in my and many other's opinions.

Especially for friends, it's much harder to spot a friend in a busy room without the yellow border.

「 vivi 」: You have the yellow name itself, Thats how you define your friends in the same room, You do not need to isolate the rank colours in order to spot your friends, They look much better then they used to, They allow full diversity for everyone, Rather then getting targeted by small minority that like to pick on people lower then them because their just internet bullys.

WarmHeartbeat: the yellow name is hard for me to see. The yellow border is much better to find friends.

I just want pretty colors idk why y'all are so pressed about class wars

「 vivi 」: Its considered exessive for a soical game, Seeing yourself as a new age player, You just want old to return, get used to change.

WarmHeartbeat: Being able to see your friends is excessive? Or having good looking names?

Not sure what you mean by me being "new age". I like the new name tags, I just think they need a border of some sort.

「 vivi 」: What your saying completly conflicts with your original post, You literly complained about loosing your pretty rank colour and forclaiming vrc+ is just a rank boost paid feature, the entire reason vrc+ is to support and carry on devolping, thats just a Tiiny little boost that doesn't effect much, and having colours around nametags based on your rank gives other players ease of access to attack others because their "Lower" then them, This is a soical game, Everyone should be equal, and the way it is, is perfectly fine, Don't be a snowflake. ❄️

WarmHeartbeat: Yes, if I'm paying for a rank boost, because that's an advertised feature, I should be able to display it. Or heck, let me my border as part of vrc+. I want a pretty nametag.

I don't agree at all on people hating on lower ranks, thankfully I've never seen it happen.

The last sentence of my OP was a reply to the inevitable comments about it, since I got them on Discord before this post.

I'll say here what I said on discord for the record: It's not necessarily that I care about rank, or maybe my opinion has changed after talking about it with people.

I like the new nametags, but they are bland with no border. I think friends should still have a yellow border so I can see them better, and there should maybe be a way to customize your own border. Since it changed, and I wanted the pretty back, the first solution my mind came to is what I'm use to, colors based on rank. I don't actually care if it's based on rank or something else.

I personally don't mind the rank system, probably because I've never seen hate because of it. That's my experience, and I'm not trying to imply my experience is universal. So I apologize if I made it seem that way. It's hard to discuss the topic with multiple commenters, so I'm trying to keep track of them all.

「 vivi 」: ❄️

WarmHeartbeat: You're welcome to continue trying to insult me, but it adds nothing to the conversation. I'm not sure how being open to feedback, talking with the community, and stating my opinion, and being willing to change said opinion makes me a snowflake.

It really just makes you look bad, and makes me not want to hear your opinion. Please be respectful.

「 vivi 」: ❄️

WarmHeartbeat: Oh I get it you're calling me cool 😎

「 vivi 」: That reply cracked me up

WarmHeartbeat: Glad I could make you laugh 👌

Observer․: I'm using the safety settings the way they are intended to be used. I have nothing against anyone just because of their ranks, it's just in my experience many visitors troll or may be ban dodgers.

I don't see how having colored borders on names is harming social interaction in game, since the only players most are cautious of are visitors (for good reason).

It's still a paid feature of the game, being advertised in a subscription with very little content. If I'm paying for a boost, however minimal, I should be able to reap the rewards of it and display my rank proudly. Working to a higher rank encouraged me to get into making worlds and avatars, and playing the game more, same as any other game.

I fail to understand why people are seemingly so afraid of a VRC "class war" that doesn't really exist.

「 vivi 」: How you utilise the safety system while relevant is a completely separate discussion about the effectiveness of combining the blocking system with the trust ranks.

However, making a comparison to how other games provide goals and levels to rank up and be able to present your achievements is exactly why I point out youre proving my point. Now where in any casual social interaction does a rank fit in.

Look how well being able to immediately visually differentiate has worked amongst humans in real life. Now try to figure out why having the ability to both display a superior achievement and or identify those of lower or higher achieving ranks is beneficial to a primarily focused and marketed social game.

You not understanding your thought process in favour of the system is exactly how a system like this in any game manipulates behaviour. Yes it is in other games, now I want you to think for a second why a developer would choose to implement such a system in their game. The current implementation of the system has very little beneficial purpose in vrchat. It worked to temporarily enable a form of safety system across the huge playerbase amongst some other positives such as recognizing who you can ask for help as a new player, but by far has it drastically altered how the game is played and encouraged an insane amount of harassment by malicious users.

I'm not afraid vivi, im terrified at how oblivious the userbase is at how things have progressed. There have been positives and negatives as a result of how the system has been implemented and just like during the open beta I will continue to let the vrchat team and players know about those negatives until it is addressed.

Observer․: I don't know who you're hanging out with in game that you've experienced so much hate, but I haven't really witnessed any.

If you're concerned about "rank racism", you should also be very against paid only features like profile badges, or paid only user icons that further differentiate users into different groups of paid or unpaid.

It's not that deep. I just enjoy being able to work for a rank, and get the benefit of a more pretty nametag as a result. I'm not discriminating against anyone based on their rank other than using safety settings, this isn't a competitive game where rank matters that much.

Please don't accuse me of having my behavior manipulated and treating people poorly.

I'm not sure how I'm proving your point, when I've not once done what you're worried about. The color of your nametag does not matter to me beyond visitor, and I was only forced to change my safety settings after being trolled, spammed, and harassed by users in that rank.

「 vivi 」: To clarify I never said you were personally treating people poorly. I'm pointing out how the system is designed in any game to manipulate player behaviour and how your approach to the system as a goal solidifies its effectiveness. Welcome to game design.

I am against the visual identifiers for vrc+ but if you want to know all my comments regarding that system you can look up all the highly voted feedback canny posts and you will find me there giving my opinion.

Youve got the reverse regarding the hate towards me. I was already at trusted when the system was first introduced. I witnessed everything from the perspective of being allowed in those groups that contained varying degrees of malicious users.

Observer․: Sorry, I'll clarify as well. Trusted is only my goal because purple is my favorite color, and I want my nametag to have my favorite color. Not because it makes me better or a higher rank than anyone else.

I'm sorry you've seen hate in game. I wouldn't associate with people like that. Maybe I got lucky, maybe you're unlucky with who's around idk.

I legitimately just want it back for aesthetic reasons, because it looks better. I still think ranks are a good idea to encourage more playtime and creation, but the only benefit to the rank currently is color.

「 vivi 」: You better hope then they dont release the hidden ranks. If they add more colours well you would need to derank to stay at your purple.

The intended result of the rank is for personal achievement sure. There is a large majority that wont do harm with it and Im not pinning you as the cause of any problem. The benefits that the ranks provide are there for sure but for your example the design can still encourage and or visualise things like playtime without dividing people.

Less so about who I associate with and more so not pissing off the wrong person while maintaining solid relationships with those I may constantly see in large world gatherings. Dont have to be close friends with someone to constantly see them around. There is a longer discussion to be had but its off topic.

Kizzy: Like I said in the post, you can still discriminate with safety settings, like I do.

I hide everything on visitors except voice, and often have to mute or block visitors because, as new players, they tend to be the ones trolling. Then I show avatar if they're cool people.

Adding a color to the nametag doesn't really help me discriminate any more than the built in discrimination settings.

It does, however allow me to see how long someone has been playing at a glance, and I can relate to people that way. (and its pretty)

Kizzy: The visitor tag was a godsend as it immediately outed about 99% of the obnoxious assholes in the game that're worth ignoring on general principle. Entering a room of grey nametags always told you exactly what you were in for and could safely bail, missing nothing of value.

Also A: Maybe they just don't want to talk to everyone who barges in on their conversation and B: If they were gonna automatically give you the cold shoulder just off the colour of their nametag and no other reason, why would you want to keep on trying to interact with them?