Allow a server to be marked "please dont stream" to warn streamers. | Voters

Allow a server to be marked "please dont stream" to warn streamers.

MissStabby

Sometimes when discussing or showing personal things, having a streamer drop in and throw everything on twitch unannounced is kind of off putting, Similarly there are types of content that would get streamers in trouble if they were to show this on their twitch.
The suggestion is to have the ability for the server's owner to mark a server as "please dont stream", while this wont/cant prevent streamers from streaming, this would spawn a warning message to anyone attempting to join on the server saying:
"The owner of this instance has requested to that you do not stream from this world"  
[Agree] [Disagree] 
(agree would commence the loading of the level, disagree would cancel the joining process)
this would give streamers the ability to either not join or turn off their streams before joining.

September 4, 2018

Event Horizon~

I'd like to see that. for me personally I don't like ending up on twitch without my knowledge. I don't care much if it happens in public but when it comes to friends+ or anything more private I really don't appreciate streamers who join and not make it very clear that they are streaming.

There might be a few more ways on how to deal with that.

The world warning as mentioned
A policy that enforces streamers to enable a visible indicator when they are streaming.
An individual user option to be invisible and mute for people who stream.

As it is right now I end up blocking streamers.

Alease

having this implemented into vrchat would be nice when you click on :join: on friends the prompt should be there. I think for publics it shouldn't be there but for friends + it should be

G1fan

I really don't see a need for this. Surely we have public, invite, and friends worlds for this reason? This suggestion really seems like a non issue to me.

bit 01

G1fan: We had a friend get banned after a streamer joined off a friend of hers, no idea who, in a private world. The streamer was not invited or welcome, and when she reported our friend she made it seem like it was happening a public world. She made a huge deal of it, had her viewers also report it, then made a follow up video to fundraise off it, pretending to be a victim.

So yeah, it can be an issue, especially with the new tos that essentially bans lap dancing and other non puritanical behavior. Remember to go to church at least 8 days a week, kids.

Bіrd

Edit excuse the poor formatting it didn't look like this when i was writing it up
There is some merit to this suggestion but
("types of content that would get streamers in trouble if they were to 
show this on their twitch.")
would most likely be against vrchats policy hence why would they protect 
such activity?
the only merit i see within this suggestion is for a niche category of people that are either streamers or friends of a streamer in which people are hanging out in a friends/+ instance of a world they "didn't create" and don't wanna deal with "certain" streamers
besides that you do have tools to avoid such scenarios
which could be verbally or through means of invite/+ or in a private 
created world in which you can kick people 
you could also implement a spawn room in a world in which you have 
warnings/policys/rules on a sign or whatever
is this feature request worth the time at face value? probably not
but if something like this could be implemented in the form of 
a category system overlaying the world icon or a prompt upon selecting 
join that could improve the overall experience to some degree (Perhaps a Title for an instance would be better for giving more descriptive/flexible information)
.Rated G
.Rated PG
.Rated PG-13
.Mature Conversations
.Private/Personal Conversations
.Role-Play
-for a category system something along the lines of this would 
probably suffice 
(obviously subject to changes this is just a quick example)
-so overall i recommend scrapping this suggestion and compiling it 
into a new suggestion relative to a category/genre/title system with a 
bit more indepth format/information

`Squishy

From my perspective this is something down to the instance creator. It's called a private instance. If you're in a friends+ instance and expecting that level of personally tailored privacy, you're simply in the wrong place. If you're in a friends instance (only your own friends) then this is a matter between you and your individual friends to discuss.

Besides, the types of more inconsiderate streamers that you complain of in your other comment here, would have no obligation not to stream regardless of any messages, and would likely only see it as a sign that there's something interesting to snoop on occurring. You'd only be advertising to them, yet still powerless to stop them.

Kiama

I'd argue that the responsibility for this kind of thing falls on the instance creator, not the people joining.

If you're going to discuss private topics or show non-stream friendly content then you should be doing it in invite only worlds, not leaving yourself open for anyone (friends list or otherwise) to join.

GV-97

Kiama: This is really all that needs to be said. Thanks for typing it out so that I don't have to.

Verser

unity alowes you to add a discription to your world/avatars. Id like to have this discription implemented ingame so such info can be listed there.

SunflowerTwix

I would like to say, that all the people who know that you're streaming, walk up to you and say "ni**a" to be malicious and attempt to get you banned from Twitch, they usually have a Twitch themselves...why do that when we could see if you're streaming and do it to you?
I somewhat agree with OP, but it would be annoying for VR users who aren't streaming to click that button on every world join (let's be honest, nobody wants a rando-streamer dropping in all the time). I like the idea though. Maybe implement it in a different way? Perhaps the instance owner should set that?
Edit: yes, I did vote! :D Good luck!

DovahDoVolom

This is a really good idea and in my opinion could be batter adapted as an instance rating system. Ex: R, E, PG-13 or even P for personal. With each rating having a stream restriction or something like that.

UnknownAK

This is just my opinion on this subject:

If you release worlds (more so for public) for people to visit then you really don't have any right telling them what they can and can't do there. If the problem is with a private world and the streamer joining through a friend then just simply restrict it to being only ever open to people you invite. If it's a public world then there is really nothing you can/should do, what's the point in spending so long designing a world, to then limit who can see it? Just seems counterproductive to me...

ElfMom

UnknownAK: Ill counter that with "this is why we have seperate instances"
This is still a social simulator and I have every right to say "hey please dont make money off of me"
this is especially a good idea for Friends+ worlds. Public might be fair game, but sometimes when people start daisy chaining into a Friends+ world, a streamer might find his way in. Would be nice to just have that nice little psa there.

UnknownAK

ElfMom: if you don't want people "making money off you" then make it a private only world that only specific people you invite can join. Also saying "hey please don't make money off of me" sounds kind of narcissistic, so by that logic does any streamer who goes to Shonzo's avatar world owe him some of their streaming revenue because they are "making money off of him"?

VRChat is supposed to be a social gathering simulator to allow people to showcase creations and make friends. Not "close yourself in a box and tell everyone to stop looking at what you've made" simulator. If you don't want exposure to your creations then don't give people a platform to expose it on (aka make the world private).

ElfMom

UnknownAK: 
there's a difference between meeting random people and making friends and all that, and suddenly "OH WOW HAHAHAHAHAHA THATS SOOOO FUNNAY HAHAHA CHECK THIS AVATAR OUT GUYS! WOOOOOOOW" checks ovrdrop comments
and that's not counting the obnoxious crowd of their friended orbiters that usually follow.
There's a reason people start shouting obscenities and pulling out nude avatars when streamers show up. because they are NOT participating, they are just there for content. And that's obnoxious, and most of the time, they are too.
Also thats not an excuse. "hurr just make it invite+ lol" I shouldnt have to go hide away and set up a bouncer just to chill with friends.
If I was fair game with a streamer i'd go to a public world. Friends/Friends+ already adds a layer of security to things, and is an agreement that only your friends, and some of your friends' friends, are allowed in. it is not a public gathering. And having an option to inform any potential streamers of that, (since if im going to a Friends+ I'm definitely not interested in a streamer) is only positive.
"so by that logic does any streamer who goes to Shonzo's avatar world owe him some of their streaming revenue because they are "making money off of him"?"
In the real world that's exactly how it works, yes. obviously things are different in a social game where you are using other people's assets, but the basic principle remains the same. Unless a streamer is paying me, I dont want to be part of their content. I'm not a clown there to dance for them and their followers entertainment

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