Add "Contains Generative AI Content" tag to the Content Gating system
~Nanochip
With the wave of generative AI content used throughout games/platforms that run on user-generated content such as VRChat, it should be required that creators tag their avatars & worlds appropriately with "Contains Generative AI Content" when the avatar/world contains ANY generative AI assets/content.
The goal is so that users who do not wish to see such content, can filter it out through VRChat's native Content Gating system.
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Yewnyx
This raises a lot of fundamental issues, none of which the OP bothers to tackle:
- How is something determined to be AI-generated?
- Who decides if something qualifies to be tagged as AI-generated?
- What is the punishment for failing to tag something that is AI-generated?
- What is the appeals process when someone has been punished for AI generation when they have not actually done so?
- How is the appeals process resilient against abuse by people who did use AI generation?
- Does a voluntary no-punishment tagging system have any impact at all?
- Does implementing such a system create social fallout, i.e. creating content police that raise accusations of AI generation whether or not any has been done?
- Does implementing such a system create pressure to add expand filters according to personal preference?
- Could such an expansion of filters lead to discriminatory behaviors?
I personally don't AI-generated images to be particularly interesting, but I do find this proposal lazy and incendiary, because it doesn't suggest any possible way to enforce this that avoids a ton of bullying and witchhunts. This is an obviously terrible idea, not because the intention is wrong, but because there isn't any suggested solution here that doesn't have the potential for massive abuse. Without concrete measures to ensure the medicine isn't worse than the poison, I don't think this is something that could ever actually be put into practical effect. This would be an absolute nightmare for an organization to actually put into practice.
Raergur
please. Artists are the only thing that gives VRChat its life. They need to be prioritized or I guarantee this platform will go downhill.
Sylan Troh
Personally I feel this is a serviceable idea. Sure you can't make people tag their content accurately, but that's no reason not to do it because the same applies for all the other content filters, and those definitely help people regardless of the fact that some content goes unreported. And there are absolutely enough people who do not want to see any generated content whatsoever that a feature like this is warranted.
I do still think that there may need to be a broader rethinking of the content gating system to deal with people who refuse to engage with it. It definitely happens with all of the tags, but in my experience, almost all people who generate content with "AI" specifically try to be deceptive about it because they know it's unpopular. So I suspect this tag in particular will be even more underutilized than the others. Not sure what a different approach to content gating would look like though, so I think in the short term, this makes sense.
IrbisTheSnep
All filters are to protect minors and to filter traumatizing content. Ai slop filter would be a filter for preferences/taste. Adding it would be close to adding filters for furries, lgbt etc. I think we need a different approach to this problem than adding another filter to existing list of nsfw filters. Community tags, similar to steam game tags, or other world scoring system would better address the problem here.
~Nanochip
IrbisTheSnep Absolute insane take comparing a Gen AI filter to "furries, lgbt etc" 💀
IrbisTheSnep
~Nanochip My sanity is not a topic of this discussion. Both LGBT and AI are topics of individual moral compasses. I think hating LGBT is bad, but its my morality compas to think that and I don't think about forcing people to like it either. Some poeple hate LGBT as strongly as AI is hated. Both topics have also supporters. This os why I would see option to give everyone an option to work with tags and give an option to make individual blacklist of tags. This way not only AI would be handled, but also other questionable content with phobias or fans, for example diapers, spiders, holes...
FemPyro
IrbisTheSnep Bro I'm sorry I might be tripping, but you type like an AI
IrbisTheSnep
FemPyro Lol. Someone in my workplace also told me something similar. Dunno if it's my age or way I learned english. I have quite scientific mind and for long time I struggled to write/share my thoughts in an easy to understand way, so I learned to use similarities to explain different points of view. I rarely use AI and mostly as a tool for initial research, to later check sources it used myself. My writing style did not change in last 10+ years, so it might be the other way, AI was trained to write like me. XD
IrbisTheSnep
I assure you I'm a hum... I mean furry. XD
ふあゆき
Well, seeing comments like that around here is exactly why I can't agree with this proposal. Some people are so desperate to turn this into a moral crusade against AI that they completely ignore basic logic. You need to be smart enough to handle the scissors before you start running around with them.
Churii~
fully agree, this should be a filter option. i do not like seeing worlds that look like one thing in the thumbnail bc of ai then are totally different looking when i load in.
Patroll
AI generated content has been greatly impacting my experience as a world explorer. I don't browse new worlds in-game anymore and instead look for good ones on VRC photographers social media. AI content doesn't help anyone. All it creates is a miserable experience for users, low quality content hidden behind fake thumbnails, content "creators" using AI and producing slop that confuses its users instead of learning how to create and design worlds that people want. It's a miserable experience where people who don't know anything about design, lighting, modeling, texturing etc. can now mass produce garbage that's only impressive if you know absolutely nothing. If I wanted to see shit I'd generate it myself. I browse worlds to see things with at least a single thought put into them. I want to experience CREATIONS not HALLUCINATIONS.
Axinovium
Nope. This would be incredibly short-sighted and counterproductive for an ecosystem that relies on user-created content. AI-assisted workflows empower ordinary people without lots of free time and money to create on an equal footing. AI assisted workflows are very obviously the future of gamedev and content creation.
A bad world is bad whether it was made by AI or by hand, and a good world should not need a warning label just because a texture, script or a prop was AI-assisted.
The real thing people dislike is low-effort, lazy worlds with thumbnails which don't represent them accurately. This was always a problem, even before AI. But it's one that is largely mitigated by the community labs system.
Content gating should be based on what the user actually experiences, not what tools the creator used. VRChat's filter categories describe the content itself. “Made with AI” describes a tool used.
Not to mention, it's also completely impossible to even enforce. How do you prove if something was AI assisted or not? You'd be surprised at how many big world creators are quietly using AI for their world development behind the scenes for scripts, textures, upscaling, audio effects, etc.
The gatekeeping is getting exhausting. Let creatives build with the tools they want to use.
Gamekiller48
Axinovium For some reason the "a good world shouldn't need an AI-assisted warning label" and similar sentiments only ever comes from people who tell everyone that AI is inevitable and can make the end result so much better, while at the same time fighting tooth and nail against having to disclose that they're using it.
No one is owed visits to their world, least of all people who outsource the creation process to tools that only work off of stolen work.
Add the tag, and then have it stand on its own merits, rather than allowing deceptive creators to succeed off of stolen valor.
WubTheCaptain
ChefCurryJr3050
fuck ai and stop data centers
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