18+ gated Worlds and Avatars with verified-only visibilty for the Adult Communities
Kitsunaki
Currently we have the choice between Public or Private worlds and avatars. Everything that is private is hidden and inaccessible.
- As an artist, noone would find your private content if you have no direct link.
- Private avatars can't be used from other players. Of course it makes sense that you can't access other people's avatars, that were meant to represent JUST them. But commissioned avatars can't be NSFW, otherwise it would be against TOS, if they'd just be uploaded publicly by the artist.
- With millions of avatars the mod team can't go through every single one and I sometimes ran into clearly public NSFW uploads in avatar search worlds.
- Private worlds can't be saved to favorites without programs like VRCX, making them even harder to find.
- But also some creators are giving access to kinky private worlds via link and everyone can get into that world via said link. So even non-verified people would roam around NSFW worlds, but noone would even notice.
But why not using the exising 18+ verified badge for worlds and avatars similiar to how it is already used for accessing instances? I already see request-only groups in which you're not accepted, if not age-verified. And instances being age gated to allow kinky communities to not be hidden in private and to be legal. I recommend a similar step for Worlds and Avatars.
+ All the points above would not be a problem, if we would have a third category for both avatars and worlds -> [18+].
+ Every not verified person could not wear such an avatar.
+ Every not verified person would see such an avatar as a robot, not showing them.
+ Every not verified person could not join any instance to such a world, even when having the link from chats they shouldn't roam in.
+ 18+ Worlds and Avatars could even be invisible and not listed for not verified people.
+ Artists would not have to hide their content anymore, never to be seen from anyone.
+ Noone have to deal with very unhandy downsides anymore, like being unable to favorite private worlds or can't upload NSFW avatars publicly for friends or customers.
It would give a safespace for not just the many kinky bubbles out there, but also for the masses of vanilla NSFW people, who're searching for communities, that're not nearly invisible. I think age verification will spread much more with such an update.
> Why even bother?
Recently I received many messages of friends who uploaded teasy worlds or ran teasy groups and meetups. VRC is not just used by minors. Those friends were temp-banned and their groups and worlds deleted. Sometimes content that was uploaded for 5 years to the public and people had nice memories there. Worlds with 100s of thousands of visits and thousands of favorite entries. The need for such worlds and groups is obvious.
It also often isn't obvious why. Those groups or worlds had no naked characters in them, but instead kink groups and worlds with suggestive content, that they were into. People in my bubbles starting to be confused about what's okay and what not anymore. Especially because there is no warning, no 'set to private until review', just deletion and temp-ban. And the explanation mail always just states 'against our guidelines.' Yeah which of those exactly and what detail in that world was too much? People can't really learn from that, just repeating what they're always doing and running into the same problem again.
VRC mods being stricter to keep the public free of any lewd content? Okay, but then give us a red-light district at the harbor. If there was an 18+ option for worlds, every kink content creator automatically categorized their work there, to be safe but not longer hidden. So many users would have reason to breathe a sigh of relief, and your mod team would be way less in stress.
VRC itself stated "Let adults be adults." Yes, give us places that're gated by a bouncer checking your ID, not just tolerating hidden blackmarkets that're accessible through a hole close to the sewers.
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dinothefury26
Id verification for the server, when you join you verify with your id card or something thats has your DOB with a paper next to it with the server name and your username
narazaka
I agree.
...however, it seems like things are pretty tough in the U.S. right now.
dinothefury26
In my opinion i wouldn't, i don't want to spend money and give data just to lick pixels. I don't wanna do that, and im sure others don't. I feel like the whole "buys vrc to show your 18“ is dumb. Its a money grab and something that can easily be free.
Kitsunaki
dinothefury26 What's your suggestion then, how to verify you're above 18 to make sure minors can be excluded from cheeky content? Most people you never meet irl and you don't know if the age in profile is correct. So even private worlds are not really giving 100% safety here.
Midnight Myth
dinothefury26Then it's good, that they do want to make it free at some point. It's just the fact, that every verification costs money (More then one month of VRC+ at that). Or you could go to events, that offer it as an extra.
WhatsAValue3
VRC+ is paid and Persona is not a trustworthy verifier. Let's remember that by "18+ verification" you actually mean "Paid data collection".
Midnight Myth
If you don't have the money for one month of VRC+ to pay for the verification, then you are probably not old enough to verify. By using a phone, you are also giving out way more data, then you could ever send to Persona and you pay way more for a phone.
Kizna Fuchs
WhatsAValue3 While i don't like Persona, even hate it, there is better choices than a Company from you know who... So i will not defend the choice of that company. However, i have to defend the fact it is gated behind VRC+. Every verification costs money, and VRC doesn't exactly have an income side of VRC+, and the recent other stuff they started introducing. So i kinda get why they don't necessarily want to spend that much money for that, while already being far from profitable.
Kizna Fuchs
Midnight Myth You underestimate what Data Persona already got access to. With confirming who you are, they have a very easy way make a nice big Profile of everything you do on the Internet, and what you like, what you don't like, your sexuality, your political views, and it even gives them a super easy way to link that with any RL data they have on you. Turning you into a person without any secrets. All that Data that can be pushed over to Palantir with ease....
Midnight Myth
Kizna Fuchs So does Google, so does Microsoft, so does Telegram, etc. If you don't want that, you would need to live isolated in a forest without internet.
Also. They either have all that data already, or they don't have data. In both cases, a verification changes nothing at all.
WhatsAValue3
Midnight Myth Read https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Age_verification and especially https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Forced_identification
Submitting your ID to someone elses computer will allow for identity theft from leaks which WILL always happen.
WhatsAValue3
Kizna Fuchs Not only that, if you express the "wrong" views on a VRC+ ID verified account, you might wake up with a gun to your head, simply because it was very easy for the government or anyone else to track you down and punish you.
For example, if you're anti AI, they might target you more.
WhatsAValue3
Kizna Fuchs the ID verification being behind VRC+ is good because it makes it less accessible. therefore less people will be coerced into submitting their ID to Persona/Palantir.
Kitsunaki
WhatsAValue3 yeah, getting into conspiracy theories here. VRC gets just your DOB and that's it. Persona will save a token, not pictures of your ID card. And being 'against AI' is nothing a government would punish someone. Especially cuz voice chats are not recorded and stored by VRC, nor scanned by any third party member...
If there are two ways: No accessible kinky stuff in virtual life anymore - or showing your ID to verify you're old enough to share such contents with people that're also old enough -> I chose the second path then.
WhatsAValue3
Kitsunaki https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Persona#Privacy_Concerns VRC gets wayyy more than just the DOB. Please don't lie.
WhatsAValue3
Kitsunaki
>And being 'against AI' is nothing a government would punish someone.
This is an example. Let's say you're a group that the government doesnt like, fill in anything, it allows for censorship.
Midnight Myth
WhatsAValue3Maybe you shouldn't lie and imagine things. VRC doesn't get more then your DOB.