Please allow age verification on AT LEAST ONE other account.
berserkbrandee
Per the updated FAQ for the announcement of Age Verification, I would like to suggest a hard limit of at least 1 or at most 2 alts who are eligible for the same age verification.
People may have alts for various reasons, some being that they may not want people who know their main VRC account name (especially if that name exists outside of VRC on other platforms) and may not want to engage with the more hardcore gated content (cough18+STUFFcough) for fear of other users maliciously looking them up and then harassing them on other platforms or even irl. I realize that may be an extreme example, but I can imagine I am not the only one who has their VRC name as their other socials and tries to keep it as professional as possible especially those that are creators.
And while you could just say...
"Well. Then just verify your alt account."
...and I could just do that, but what if in doing so I lock my main account off from my favorite worlds and or avatars should those world/avatar creators put their creations behind Age Verification gates.
I apologize in advance if this was hard to follow, I'm not the best at articulating my words, so I hope this made some sense...
I would just greatly appreciate being able to keep my main and an alt with the same amount of access and not feel like I have a baby gate in my way on one or the other despite being a fully grown adult. -_-
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Miss Widgey
Seeming like this is dead in the water. If any creators want to be anonymous now I guess the solution is to choose whether they want their main or alt to be unable to access safe adult spaces or go through the trouble of getting another form of ID, which isn't feasible for a lot of people. Really disappointing.
shybits
I recently reached to VRChat support with this issue, as I have personal and content creation accounts, and was wondering the implications of trying to verify both, this is the reply I got, posting it here so people have more official information (hope it is ok to post this):
"Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out with your questions!
You can only complete Age Verification on one VRChat account per form of ID. If you’ve already verified an account using a particular ID, attempting to use the same ID on another account will result in an error. If you’d like to verify a different account instead, you’ll first need to remove verification from the currently verified account. Alternatively, if you have access to a second valid form of government-issued ID that is still yours, you can use that to verify a different account.
Please note that Age Verification does not publicly link or reveal any personal information across accounts, your identity will remain private and unassociated between accounts.
As for VRC+ subscriptions through Steam: a Steam account can only have one active VRChat account tied to its subscription at a time. The subscription doesn’t automatically link or associate any other accounts you may own, and it won’t cause any cross-account exposure.
Lilith
VRChat Team"
berserkbrandee
shybits ok actually that is helpful for those of us that have different forms of ID. I'm definitely gonna give that a try with my alt. Kind of odd tho that you can verify with another ID and not just the one but oh well I guess
Bearly Alive
shybits How do you remove the verification from one account to put it onto another though? I don't see an option to revoke your ID verification. Did they clarify that at all?
shybits
Bearly Alive Sorry, that email is all the info I have. I haven't tried to age verify yet myself
shybits
berserkbrandee I guess that the process Persona uses generates a unique token for the specific ID document, so different documents generate different tokens... Maybe, not sure.
The way I understand it, you could use your government ID, driver's license and passport to verify 3 accounts, for example, depending on what your country considers a valid ID.
I would ask then if a specific type of ID is valid before trying, though.
ɧıʂơŋɛ
Isn't there like some sort of checker that can determine if more than one account is active at a time? Or if the hash is in use at the same time? I feel that would be helpful.
As for multiple accounts; bot accounts do exist in order to get people into instances that are used as a default system to send invites and group announcements out.
I feel it's necessary to have a multi id function because if you lose access to one account, be it a lost email or unable to get into either account, it's convenient to not lose out on the perks of the device.
I just want a +1 account as there are sites that do allow for that sort of thing already. Could be a perk if you pay a premium vrc+ thing or even buy it in a shop and have that kept on record you bought an id verified additional account. That was it is linked to your account AND it keeps you on record should anything go wrong or is handed out.
Miss Widgey
ɧıʂơŋɛ One of the points of using the hash outside of minimizing the amount of personal data stored was to have the ability to know if multiple accounts are using the same hash and potentially if there's enough demand allowing people to verify multiple profiles on a single hash, which I'm guessing comes with the caveat that if one account had action taken against it that said action would also be taken against any additional accounts connected to the hash.
ɧıʂơŋɛ
Miss Widgey I can't tell if this is agreeing with what I said or not. They would be using the same amount of personal data, just linking the additional accounts name to the record with my theory. Like a shared subscription service but rather a purchase that can be made multiple times to ensure the permanence.
Like how steam only allows vrc+ to be purchased once per steam account. If you don't want an additional steam account for vrc +, you have to gift that to yourself or have it bought for you. If it was set up so could purchase an additional account with the perks it'd make plenty sales and the additional name could be stored on record.
Much like how ingame purchases can still be made through multiple accounts and remembered but not vrc+ as a whole as that's considered externally.
Miss Widgey
ɧıʂơŋɛ I was just giving information about how official channels have said they might use the hash system. I'm all for having a system where you can own multiple accounts under one profile if that's what you're proposing.
Kimochi
Miss Widgey That is already happening, I got banned once for logging onto a customers Account, he got banned for doing stupid shit, and since my IP was logged on his account too I got banned as well until I was able to clear it up to Support.
Likely Alucard
It will never be allowed on multiple accounts. That opens up way to many potential issues. Users are already abusing AV. We dont need more. If your a content creator, why would you have AV on your stream account? makes no sense. Keep it on your casual account your usually on.
as for the drama argument or whatever, I dont belive thats worth potential security risks. Just use moderation tools.
Miss Widgey
Still hoping we can have a system where we can verify multiple accounts with the same hash, with the hard rule that any action taken against one account would be applied to any account with the same hash. Would literally solve the issue people have with potential for abuse.
「Cuddle」
Imo, it should be limited to one account only. Not multiple. Many people will simply verify for other people. I rather have it 'safe' and less chance of running into someone who has been verified by a friend of theirs while not being above the age of 18, which we all know will definitely happen on quite a big scale if people can verify more than once.
The only solution I see for this which could be; Allow people to retract their verification status and then be able to put it on an other account.
∗BlueDragon∗
Upvote, theres plenty of reasons for a person to have a secondary account age verified
heres some examples
Content Creator account
different groups of friends
an account for the more intimate activities (but you still want your other account to not be restricted from certain worlds or groups you enjoy)
drama following your accounts
Safe haven accounts
so many other possible reasons
I think if not allowing two accounts to be verified under the same ID, a system could be implemented to connect your Alt to your main, anonymously, that way its attached to the age verified account but still not connected visibly to other people
「ｋｕｍａ」
I think that if people are allowed to verify multiple accounts, then if ANY of those accounts with their hash get reported for an underage person using them, ALL the accounts that person has under their hash should get banned and their ID permanently locked out of verification. No second chances. PERIOD. I really don’t want to see this feature get all crapped up by idiots verifying their damn kids’ accounts.
squeakop
What would be the point of the age verification if you can just give it to other accounts or people? wouldn't that just defeat the purpose of it?
-GP-
squeakop the same way they can use id of a friend to verify themselves, it doesnt defend purpose of anything, just makes it cheaper basically
berserkbrandee
UPDATE 1/28/2025
VRC has allowed VRC+ subscribers to verify their accounts. (https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/age-verification)
However I'm extremely disappointed in seeing the FAQ after feeling good with the discussions in the prior months that they were open to finding a solution for those of us with other accounts for other purposes/anonymity among larger creators.
We'll see if this goes anywhere in the future, but my hopes for it happening are not high if they're proceeding with the current rollout.
This has just left a sour taste in my mouth for now. :\
Miss Widgey
berserkbrandee From what it looks like all the FAQs on the post are literally just copy and pasted from previous posts including the follow-up questions regarding how they're considering hashes to allow multiple account verification.
I'm gonna keep sharing and posting this Canny and others should too. While I'm disappointed they haven't given more updates about this specifically I'm hoping that keeping the pressure up will show them that the community wants this.
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