Hidden Avatars Not Displayed Correctly
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Hizumi Rei
I always play Murder 4 in public instances, and I often encounter cheating or hacking. Recently, I started seeing cases where players use invisible avatars while holding knives or revolvers. However, after investigating, I found that these were not cheats, but rather a bug in VRChat.
I first encountered this bug about 1–2 weeks ago. At that time, a player who was the Murderer stood still at the entrance to the cellar but was remotely killing Bystanders with the knife. I was convinced it was cheating, but surprisingly, no one else seemed to suspect that player.
Out of curiosity, I unhide that player’s avatar, and suddenly their avatar disappeared from in front of me. Then, I saw them walking around elsewhere in the world, fully visible.
In other words, this bug can be described as: “When a user’s avatar is hidden, it is not displayed correctly.”
The player’s movements and interactions (such as holding a knife or firing a revolver) are processed globally as normal. However, the hidden avatar itself remains stuck at a fixed point in the world locally instead of following the player’s actual movements.
Put simply, the “internal” state (user interactions) and the “external” state (avatar position and hitbox) become desynchronized. For details, please see the attached video.
This bug is having a severe impact on game worlds like Murder 4.
For example, imagine you are the Murderer and must eliminate all other players. If a user with a hidden avatar is stuck in the lobby, which is outside the play area, their avatar and hitbox remain there—but their actual player is still participating in the game. This means they can shoot you with the revolver, yet you cannot stab or eliminate them, because their avatar and hitbox remain in the lobby. This creates an unwinnable situation.
I have personally lost over 5 games due to this bug. Since I only play Murder 4, I have not tested other game worlds, but I believe this issue likely occurs elsewhere as well. In fact, since this is a VRChat-level bug, it can happen in any world as long as there are users whose avatars are hidden.
To clarify, this is not a bug specific to Murder 4. Murder 4 has not been updated in the last 1–2 weeks, so it is natural to conclude that the bug lies in VRChat itself. Even if Murder 4 did have issues, it would be unlikely that the Hide/Show Avatar feature of VRChat itself would malfunction in this way.
This is a critical bug that can make gameplay impossible. The cause should be identified and fixed immediately, and measures should be taken to ensure it never happens again.
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"Hidden Avatar" Robots Frozen in Place on Instance Join
Zerithax
I've been experiencing this bug on/off over the last year or more. You can still hear them interacting with other players, which is usually what gives it away since they're completely frozen in place and not animating at all. The number of affected users seems random each time as well. I've had some lobbies where 8 or more players are scattered around the map frozen in place. Also seems to be most common with game worlds, but that may be because that's mostly all I play (but I never see this bug in Furry Hideout, for instance).
The bug is easily fixed if you just find the user in question, select them, and show their avatar. You can even re-hide it, it just needs to try to update the avatar at all and they'll immediately be fixed.
Example video showing off the bug (and fixing it): https://youtu.be/RLL0fWV9OcI
Repro steps:
- Open VRChat
- Update your shield settings to disable avatars and only show robots for MOST if not all players
- Join an instance and look for players that aren't moving or animating, but are still talking as if they're actively playing the game.
- Toggle their avatar visibility to fix the issue, which confirms that was the bug.
P.S. only play on PC, no clue if this happens for any other platform.
Enverex
I get this as well for people who aren't robots, but have disabled animators (due to it being off in shield settings). So I don't think it's Robot/Default avatar specific.
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Invisible Avatars
Banova
Randomly in-game a player will turn invisible and you have to hide and unhide the avatar. This mostly happens to Full Body Tracking users but has been seen happening to any user.
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People are invisible, no its not the avatar
La_Isa
- join a game lobby with a friend
- Compare who you do and dont see.
- for people you dont see hide and reveal avatar again and it mightfix it
This bug has gotten SO much worse and its ruining me and my friends experiences.
(could be everyone affected im pcvr i dunno if quest is affected)
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Do you have the IDs for any of the avatars affected?
Hizumi Rei
StormRel
I'm sorry, but what exactly is an avatar ID?
It does not appear that this phenomenon occurs with any specific avatar.
It seems that this phenomenon occurs whenever an avatar is hidden globally, individually, or at the shield level, regardless of which avatar it is.
StormRel
Hizumi Rei: IDs are explained here https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/4408181867027-How-to-find-IDs-and-Identifiers-in-VRChat-for-Users-Worlds-Avatars
If it's not avatar specific, I will need any extra information you can provide about the issue. If we can't reproduce the behavior it's a bit hard for us to investigate. Is this only happening after long sessions in game worlds?
Hizumi Rei
StormRel
This phenomenon occurs immediately after joining an instance.
When joining an instance, this phenomenon is highly likely to occur if there are users who have been individually hidden, users using globally hidden avatars, or users hidden due to shield levels.
It does not occur for all hidden users. However, the more hidden users there are, the more likely this phenomenon becomes.
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Hizumi Rei: Could you provide logs of a session where this was happening? Here are instructions on where to find logs: https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/9521522810899-Where-do-I-find-my-Output-Logs-and-Crash-Dumps
Hizumi Rei
_tau_
This bug occasionally occurs upon joining an instance.
To reproduce this bug, I joined several public instances.
The bug occurred in the Murder4 public instance I joined last.
I would be grateful if you could review the logs.
WubTheCaptain
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Expressions, SAH, Invisible. This makes the user invisible and nameplate hidden, even if the player's avatar is hidden.
WubTheCaptain
Unsure if face mirror needs to be on too.
Lorcy
(Build1088)traced it back to having ovrtoolkit open and recalibration, for my problem, when i disappeared for my friends when i was recalibrating. also causes other issues like a dislocated nameplate hide, and a totally random location of your voice even sometimes