Cloth behaving oddly
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ElfMom
Im honestly not sure how to reproduce this reliably because it seems random., and seems to depend on the map. Some maps its fine, others it's not. Both newer, and older maps. Random.
But long story short, I have an avatar with a cloth skirt and cloth hair. it works fine.
The moment the avatar is uploaded with that, it seems to cause issues with cloth. Immediately what happens is the hair now stays still and does not move with my head, I can crouch and look up and see it floating there, and the skirt, it actually creates a DUPLICATE of my skirt, which similarly, ignores all movement. Both are still cloth, and that works, but both behave as if the model was standing still.
I should mention that all that is a local only thing. noone else sees it,
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it does not show in the mirror either.if i repeatedly reuploaded the model there was a chance it would work fine, and a chance it would not.
switching out of beta stopped the problem. But it does not seem to be Beta specific. Yet, it's way worse in beta. It happens way more often.
I checked scale, made sure armature was 1/1/1, removed any constraints, nothing changes this. Happens both in vr, and in desktop.
I took a video to show what I mean
EDIT: I did some testing by visiting several maps and noting the date they were last updated, and found this is reliably reproducible in any map made/updated before late September, though september itself has a 50/50 shot of working. Only fly in that ointment is that my homeworld was updated april yet works fine. So it's an outlier.
EDIT2: I updated a map of mine to udon and sdk3 and it still retains this problem. SO Im not sure what to really make of it anymore if a map that is freshly updated has the issue. I guess map age doesnt actually matter.
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ElfMom
So since I cannot edit the original post: here's the streamable which since got deleted:
ElfMom
Did more testing. Changed all constraints to those new vrc constraints. Issue still happens. And I still have no idea what triggers it, because I was in a brand new map, yet it was working fine, but if I go to another map that might be new or old, and it happens again.
ElfMom
So time has passed, but this issue remains.
At present, I did some testing and right now, it seems that removing constraints from the avatar fixes the issue.
The model has an extra invisible armature that is constrained to the avatar's limbs. It's purpose is to provide an alternate shadow to the model. As a result this means there are a lot of constraints involved. So it's possible that too many constraints is what is somehow breaking the cloth on avatars.
Not sure if this is adequate "more information"
tldr I updated the avatar, problem still happened. I deleted the constrained model attached to the avatar, and uploaded, and the issue is gone.
ElfMom
another pair of screenshots to document this: I went to an MMD map.
In the map camera, the cloth seems fine. in person, well you can see what I am seeing. a duplicate of my cloth items, that stand t posed.
Also, I notice that it is marked "more information needed" but im not sure what more might be needed.
ElfMom
I encountered a new behavior with this. I was in Rooms 4 Days
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And I noticed that the problem is there when i load in. But then as I travel between rooms, the cloth randomly alternates between exhibiting the issue, behaving normally, or, a new behavior, being OFFSET so that the hair is suddenly inside my face and at an angle, as if the cloth was trying to do some sort of closed body pose or falling pose or something. this was my view standing normally in one of the rooms.
ElfMom
worth mentioning, now that beta went live, the issue is worse. avatar is now almost unusable in any map now
StormRel
LemonKaju Could you provide an avatar and world ID for the skirt issue you are seeing?
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LemonKaju
StormRel: Thank you for your reply.
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LemonKaju
It has been half a year since the first report, but the issue is still occurring and the cause is unknown.
My post was merged to the open beta thread, but it was originally a bug report about the regular version of VRChat.
This is not a report about open beta.
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StormRel
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Issue with some skirts
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LemonKaju
There is a issue where the skirt of "Chronos Chan" in Vket3 (2019) is displayed extra.
This issue did not occur before 2023/10/04.
・This issue only occurs in the avatar user's field of vision, and does not appear in mirrors or photo cameras.
・Whether or not this issue occurs varies depending on the world. For example, an issue occurs in SurRoom.
・I also asked a friend of mine who owns "Chronos Chan" and he said that this issue is occurring.
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